You might see Vitalik Buterin's father, but what we see is a guy who likes to answer support emails and sometimes support calls as it gives him first-hand understanding of people's needs, which he feeds back to the design and development team, and uses in his role as a product manager. Someone like him adds value to our podcast, and we take full advantage of that. We ring in the new year by getting a forecast on this crypto space and chatting with Dmitry Buterin.